纽约邮报又爆猛料:脸书的审查规则是中国帮助建设的
看看这些***!(因言论偏激,按品葱准则对推文做技术处理,如果想要看全文请点击下方链接)个个嘴皮子冠冕堂皇!背地里和中共沆瀣一气!他们怎么好意思标榜自己代表进步、自由、正义的?参议员@marcorubio说,FACEBOOK的网络审查算法竟然是中共帮助做的!我靠!这意味着中共网络审查通过FB的全球影响力,扩张到全世界!这不是什么不适用230免责条款,是应该关闭FB!
https://twitter.com/yjpc06/status/1318894454598639624
.@marcorubio tells me the fact that Chinese nationals help shape Facebook’s censorship algorithms tells him the firm doesn’t deserve Section 230 immunity.
This is big.
https://t.co/FgROTI3B6T
纽约邮报原文
Meet your (Chinese) Facebook censors
By Sohrab Ahmari
October 20, 2020 | 8:04pm
China is one of the most censorious societies on earth. So what better place for Facebook to recruit social-media censors?
There are at least half a dozen “Chinese nationals who are working on censorship,” a former Facebook insider told me last week. “So at some point, they [Facebook bosses] thought, ‘Hey, we’re going to get them H-1B visas so they can do this work.’ ”
The insider shared an internal directory of the team that does much of this work. It’s called Hate-Speech Engineering (George Orwell, call your office), and most of its members are based at Facebook’s offices in Seattle. Many have Ph.D.s, and their work is extremely complex, involving machine learning — teaching “computers how to learn and act without being explicitly programmed,” as the techy Web site DeepAI.org puts it.
When it comes to censorship on social media, that means “teaching” the Facebook code so certain content ends up at the top of your newsfeed, a feat that earns the firm’s software wizards discretionary bonuses, per the ex-insider. It also means making sure other content “shows up dead-last.”
Like, say, a New York Post report on the Biden dynasty’s dealings with Chinese companies.
To illustrate the mechanics, the insider took me as his typical Facebook user: “They take what Sohrab sees, and then they throw the newsfeed list into a machine-learning algorithm and neural networks that determine the ranking of the items.”
Facebook engineers test hundreds of different iterations of the rankings to shape an optimal outcome — and root out what bosses call “borderline content.”
It all makes for perhaps the most chillingly sophisticated censorship mechanism in human history. “What they don’t do is ban a specific pro-Trump hashtag,” says the ex-insider. Instead, “content that is a little too conservative, they will down-rank. You can’t tell it’s censored.”
I won’t share the names of the Facebook employees in question. The point isn’t to spotlight individuals, but to show how foreign nationals from a state that still bans Facebook have their hands on the levers of social-media censorship here in America.
The Hate-Speech Engineering team’s staff includes a research scientist based at the Seattle office who earned his master’s degree in computer engineering from the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing, according to his LinkedIn profile.
Another member of the team, a software engineer for machine learning based in Seattle, earned his bachelor’s and master’s degrees in computer science from Jilin University in northeast China. Still another, an engineering manager, earned his bachelor’s in computer science at Nanjing University in eastern China.
Another software engineer previously worked for the Communist-backed conglomerate Huawei, as well as the Beijing National Railway & Design Institute of Signal and Communication. I reached out to all six employees; two replied to confirm that they are Chinese nationals but refused to comment further; the rest didn’t reply.
Plenty of Big Tech firms, of course, recruit their foreign specialists from China, India and elsewhere, and many of these workers hope to resettle in the United States permanently and share the American Dream.
But some may not, and the trouble is that the society they might return to already deploys one of the most comprehensive and fine-tuned intellectual-control mechanisms on its own population. What’s to stop Facebook’s Chinese engineers from delivering their Facebook expertise to Xi Jinping? Globalists thought that engaging with China would make that country more open; I fear it’s making us more restrictive.
A Facebook spokesperson denied that these employees influence broader policies. “We are a stronger company because our employees come from all over the world. Our standards and policies are public, including about our third-party fact-checking program, and designed to apply equally to content across the political spectrum. With over 35,000 people working on safety and security issues at Facebook, the insinuation that these employees have an outsized influence on our broader policies or technology is absurd.”
Yet, as Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) put it in an e-mail to me, these revelations are yet “another indication that Big Tech is no longer deserving” of statutory protections that render it immune to a publisher’s liabilities. Big Tech critic Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), meanwhile, said “this is all the more reason for the Senate to demand that Mark Zuckerberg — under oath and before the election — give an account of what Facebook has been up to.”
Sohrab Ahmari is The Post’s op-ed editor. This is his second column based on conversations with a Facebook insider.
https://twitter.com/yjpc06/status/1318894454598639624
.@marcorubio tells me the fact that Chinese nationals help shape Facebook’s censorship algorithms tells him the firm doesn’t deserve Section 230 immunity.
This is big.
https://t.co/FgROTI3B6T
纽约邮报原文
Meet your (Chinese) Facebook censors
By Sohrab Ahmari
October 20, 2020 | 8:04pm
China is one of the most censorious societies on earth. So what better place for Facebook to recruit social-media censors?
There are at least half a dozen “Chinese nationals who are working on censorship,” a former Facebook insider told me last week. “So at some point, they [Facebook bosses] thought, ‘Hey, we’re going to get them H-1B visas so they can do this work.’ ”
The insider shared an internal directory of the team that does much of this work. It’s called Hate-Speech Engineering (George Orwell, call your office), and most of its members are based at Facebook’s offices in Seattle. Many have Ph.D.s, and their work is extremely complex, involving machine learning — teaching “computers how to learn and act without being explicitly programmed,” as the techy Web site DeepAI.org puts it.
When it comes to censorship on social media, that means “teaching” the Facebook code so certain content ends up at the top of your newsfeed, a feat that earns the firm’s software wizards discretionary bonuses, per the ex-insider. It also means making sure other content “shows up dead-last.”
Like, say, a New York Post report on the Biden dynasty’s dealings with Chinese companies.
To illustrate the mechanics, the insider took me as his typical Facebook user: “They take what Sohrab sees, and then they throw the newsfeed list into a machine-learning algorithm and neural networks that determine the ranking of the items.”
Facebook engineers test hundreds of different iterations of the rankings to shape an optimal outcome — and root out what bosses call “borderline content.”
It all makes for perhaps the most chillingly sophisticated censorship mechanism in human history. “What they don’t do is ban a specific pro-Trump hashtag,” says the ex-insider. Instead, “content that is a little too conservative, they will down-rank. You can’t tell it’s censored.”
I won’t share the names of the Facebook employees in question. The point isn’t to spotlight individuals, but to show how foreign nationals from a state that still bans Facebook have their hands on the levers of social-media censorship here in America.
The Hate-Speech Engineering team’s staff includes a research scientist based at the Seattle office who earned his master’s degree in computer engineering from the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing, according to his LinkedIn profile.
Another member of the team, a software engineer for machine learning based in Seattle, earned his bachelor’s and master’s degrees in computer science from Jilin University in northeast China. Still another, an engineering manager, earned his bachelor’s in computer science at Nanjing University in eastern China.
Another software engineer previously worked for the Communist-backed conglomerate Huawei, as well as the Beijing National Railway & Design Institute of Signal and Communication. I reached out to all six employees; two replied to confirm that they are Chinese nationals but refused to comment further; the rest didn’t reply.
Plenty of Big Tech firms, of course, recruit their foreign specialists from China, India and elsewhere, and many of these workers hope to resettle in the United States permanently and share the American Dream.
But some may not, and the trouble is that the society they might return to already deploys one of the most comprehensive and fine-tuned intellectual-control mechanisms on its own population. What’s to stop Facebook’s Chinese engineers from delivering their Facebook expertise to Xi Jinping? Globalists thought that engaging with China would make that country more open; I fear it’s making us more restrictive.
A Facebook spokesperson denied that these employees influence broader policies. “We are a stronger company because our employees come from all over the world. Our standards and policies are public, including about our third-party fact-checking program, and designed to apply equally to content across the political spectrum. With over 35,000 people working on safety and security issues at Facebook, the insinuation that these employees have an outsized influence on our broader policies or technology is absurd.”
Yet, as Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) put it in an e-mail to me, these revelations are yet “another indication that Big Tech is no longer deserving” of statutory protections that render it immune to a publisher’s liabilities. Big Tech critic Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), meanwhile, said “this is all the more reason for the Senate to demand that Mark Zuckerberg — under oath and before the election — give an account of what Facebook has been up to.”
Sohrab Ahmari is The Post’s op-ed editor. This is his second column based on conversations with a Facebook insider.
47 个评论
接下来就看Facebook是何反应。
如果跟某贪污登父子一样乌龟王八不吭声,真的。
立刻告纽约邮报诽谤,50%。
如果跟某贪污登父子一样乌龟王八不吭声,真的。
立刻告纽约邮报诽谤,50%。
>>接下来就看Facebook是何反应。如果跟某贪污登父子一样乌龟王八不吭声,真的。立刻告纽约邮报诽谤,...
精彩了 在政府听证会之前爆这料 是想开道下死手啊 直接变成国安问题
>>接下来就看Facebook是何反应。如果跟某贪污登父子一样乌龟王八不吭声,真的。立刻告纽约邮报诽谤,...
告吧,越告越有猛料,越告越实锤,告了就是找死
(九品芝麻官画外音:如果你反抗, 就證明你會武功,如果你不反抗,我讓你爽到極點!)
奇怪 最近風向突然轉彎 繼拜登爆雷後
左媒接連出事 前有谷歌反壟斷 後有fb假自由
這爆雷接二連三 是哪裡出了問題勒?
左媒接連出事 前有谷歌反壟斷 後有fb假自由
這爆雷接二連三 是哪裡出了問題勒?
《 真 — 文化输出 》
Facebook 的审查堪比微博了,注册时还需要人脸识别
>>奇怪 最近風向突然轉彎 繼拜登爆雷後左媒接連出事 前有谷歌反壟斷...
中国制造2025,沉不住气
大家认真去看原文,脸书是雇佣有从事过审查算法开发的中国人。这个没毛病,色情暴力恐怖袭击这些东西总是要审查的。
和中国,中国政府就没啥关系。
和中国,中国政府就没啥关系。
我前兩天才在FB上懟了陳澍
FB那些審查員根本毫不公平
完全偏袒中共一方 吃相難看
社群守則上明明就有不可dehumanizing一條
之前因為香港議題在網上跟人吵起來
我們隨便罵這罵那就會被刪被禁言
藍絲建制派大罵抗爭者曱甴(蟑螂)卻一點事都沒有
不管是言語或圖畫攻擊 都不會被刪
屢試不爽
真的一堆FB審查員根本就是五毛戰狼小粉紅
而我們對他們的裁決幾乎沒有投訴管道
這種東西不刪
遇到拜登醜聞就刪
FB YT Twitter都差不多
簡直莫名其妙
FB那些審查員根本毫不公平
完全偏袒中共一方 吃相難看
社群守則上明明就有不可dehumanizing一條
之前因為香港議題在網上跟人吵起來
我們隨便罵這罵那就會被刪被禁言
藍絲建制派大罵抗爭者曱甴(蟑螂)卻一點事都沒有
不管是言語或圖畫攻擊 都不會被刪
屢試不爽
真的一堆FB審查員根本就是五毛戰狼小粉紅
而我們對他們的裁決幾乎沒有投訴管道
這種東西不刪
遇到拜登醜聞就刪
FB YT Twitter都差不多
簡直莫名其妙
>>大家认真去看原文,脸书是雇佣有从事过审查算法开发的中国人。这个没毛病,色情暴力恐怖袭击这些东西总是要...
沒毛病?拿我們自己整天混FB的經驗就知道怎麼回事了。不只算法,FB中文的人工判定部門還雇了一大堆五毛...談到政治話題的處理根本沒有公平過。碰到幾十次不公了。AI team 也一樣,可能喂資料的時候他們就偏頗了,重點是這些人的國籍還是中國人,可能想著哪天還要回去。沒毛病???
>>奇怪 最近風向突然轉彎 繼拜登爆雷後左媒接連出事 前有谷歌反壟斷...
谷歌反垄断是早就有计划了吧。左媒出问题,就是因为在拜登的事件上不报道,甚至于封杀消息。可能是因此引起一些人的不满,导致他们出来爆左媒的料。
>>還是搞不懂為什麼這些暴發戶在做壞事的同時要自拍,有朝一日向全世界炫耀自己嗎?和ISIS發布斬首爆頭視...
有些不是自拍,是合伙人担心被出卖、被灭口等,要保存一份证据,让同伙不敢出卖,要死一起死。
有些变态,如亨特,自拍是为了“留念”、以后“欣赏”。
纽约邮报这几天股市怎么样?
跟本支那就是極其巨大恐怖的腐敗污染源
比尼哥奸狡 人比猶太多 也沒穆斯林一堆宗教原則跟道德限制
14億人肉電池搾汁
未來再搞下去只會全球支化
連美國都污染成這樣 其他就更不用說了
實體到虛擬 草根到VP 黑皮到白皮
巨量無道德人口物理教化不能
沅熊市是唯一解
比尼哥奸狡 人比猶太多 也沒穆斯林一堆宗教原則跟道德限制
14億人肉電池搾汁
未來再搞下去只會全球支化
連美國都污染成這樣 其他就更不用說了
實體到虛擬 草根到VP 黑皮到白皮
巨量無道德人口物理教化不能
沅熊市是唯一解
>>大家认真去看原文,脸书是雇佣有从事过审查算法开发的中国人。这个没毛病,色情暴力恐怖袭击这些东西总是要...
你大概是不用FB的。它审查的不是色情暴力恐袭,而是保守派言论或是对川普有利的事情。像今年极其荒谬的fact check,武汉肺炎的治疗,必须以WHO为准,禁止医生有不同治疗方案提出。
对于民主党或无神论者的污言秽语,投诉一律回复说“不违法社区规则”。
10月23日,就是共和党早就布置好的大戏。有什么猛料出来,都不奇怪。
所以我的FB很早就注销了,就属他们审查最过分...这直接外包算法的行径真是惊到我了
YT和Twitter好歹收敛一点,仅限简体中文审查外包大马,且近期似乎有回调
YT和Twitter好歹收敛一点,仅限简体中文审查外包大马,且近期似乎有回调
别标题党了,怀疑中国人很正常,但是你引用的推文和新闻都根本没出现过“中共”这个词,你标题写“中共”就属于假新闻
说回新闻内容
说明到底要审查什么还是领导决定,工程师只是负责把领导的想法写成代码,换谁来写影响都不大。
在科技公司写过代码都知道工程师没有多少自主权,想故意在代码里违背上司意愿很难,有代码审核、自动测试、人工测试等重重把关。领导也大多数是技术出身,就算没时间看代码也看得懂设计文档和测试报告。
说起来所有主要科技公司都有大量中国籍工程师,要是“中国人写的=舔共”那干脆别上网算了
说回新闻内容
root out what bosses call “borderline content.”
说明到底要审查什么还是领导决定,工程师只是负责把领导的想法写成代码,换谁来写影响都不大。
在科技公司写过代码都知道工程师没有多少自主权,想故意在代码里违背上司意愿很难,有代码审核、自动测试、人工测试等重重把关。领导也大多数是技术出身,就算没时间看代码也看得懂设计文档和测试报告。
说起来所有主要科技公司都有大量中国籍工程师,要是“中国人写的=舔共”那干脆别上网算了
这是当代的与垄断组织抗争的另一篇章,不同于过往的微软windows那些,那些只是产品垄断。
现在的垄断是话语权的垄断
现在的垄断是话语权的垄断
>>这篇新闻根本没涉及人工审查员的问题,人工审查员的招募和审查尺度也不是这些工程师来决定的
那也應該要有人投書啊
內文裡面有寫到deep learning的事啊,訓練到他們不喜歡的內容最後才出現就是了,而最後才出現就等於不出現,你玩FB不可能一直無限往下拖。訓練過程不就是這些工程師幹的?
“So at some point, they [Facebook bosses] thought, ‘Hey, we’re going to get them H-1B visas so they can do this work.’ ”
The Hate-Speech Engineering team’s staff includes a research scientist based at the Seattle office who earned his master’s degree in computer engineering from the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing, according to his LinkedIn profile.
Another member of the team, a software engineer for machine learning based in Seattle, earned his bachelor’s and master’s degrees in computer science from Jilin University in northeast China. Still another, an engineering manager, earned his bachelor’s in computer science at Nanjing University in eastern China.
Another software engineer previously worked for the Communist-backed conglomerate Huawei, as well as the Beijing National Railway & Design Institute of Signal and Communication.
完了 H-1B也疑似匪了 匪了
不排X 行嗎
The Hate-Speech Engineering team’s staff includes a research scientist based at the Seattle office who earned his master’s degree in computer engineering from the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing, according to his LinkedIn profile.
Another member of the team, a software engineer for machine learning based in Seattle, earned his bachelor’s and master’s degrees in computer science from Jilin University in northeast China. Still another, an engineering manager, earned his bachelor’s in computer science at Nanjing University in eastern China.
Another software engineer previously worked for the Communist-backed conglomerate Huawei, as well as the Beijing National Railway & Design Institute of Signal and Communication.
完了 H-1B也疑似匪了 匪了
不排X 行嗎
>>那也應該要有人投書啊內文裡面有寫到deep learning的事啊,訓練到他們不喜歡的內容最後才出現...
“他們不喜歡的內容”,谁是“他们"?
看我另外一条回复,什么是不喜欢的内容是领导决定的,工程师只是把领导的意思写成代码,工程师想代码里耍花招很难。
z中国籍员工在Facebook不是很正常吗?
算了…換去VK玩好了…唉…失望…
祖柏克的華人老婆是中共間諜
這是公開的秘密
蘭金黃阿
這是公開的秘密
蘭金黃阿
这是Facebook第1145141919810次翻车了吧,,,
反正小扎一开始舔共遭拒,一瞬翻脸,但是态度还是不够坚决,,,
掉进钱眼里的SJW最可恶了,以赚钱为名,SJW只是个幌子而已,,,
反正小扎一开始舔共遭拒,一瞬翻脸,但是态度还是不够坚决,,,
掉进钱眼里的SJW最可恶了,以赚钱为名,SJW只是个幌子而已,,,
>>有些不是自拍,是合伙人担心被出卖、被灭口等,要保存一份证据,让同伙不敢出卖,要死一起死。有些变态,如...
講一句不符合品蔥政治正確的話,我永遠認為Nicolas Chan是個噁心的死變態,阿嬌張柏芝等是被PUA的受害者。
一如中共在台灣大選的歷史,中共總是為它支持的人扮演豬隊友,對它反對的對象扮演著神助攻的角色。
這結論可以直接套到美國大選上。
這結論可以直接套到美國大選上。
>>一如中共在台灣大選的歷史,中共總是為它支持的人扮演豬隊友,對它反對的對象扮演著神助攻的角色。這結論可...
臺灣可謂是真.民主先鋒🤣🤣🤣🤣意思是『其他民主國家發生的現況臺灣總是先經歷過一遍,使他國得以觀摩』
脸书一边舔共一边自己乱搞,现在搞得墙内外都不讨好,真是自作自受。
墙内的说脸书不要脸(忘了什么原因,好像是香港的事?)
然后这爆出来,墙外的也要骂脸书了。
墙内的说脸书不要脸(忘了什么原因,好像是香港的事?)
然后这爆出来,墙外的也要骂脸书了。
纽约邮报是个小报纸,持续观察吧
这文章标准的分不清 中国 中共 中国人的区别 如果这三者不做区分那就真是应了共党的宣传了 反共=打压中国=反华。习近平不得乐开了花。
就这姿势还想联美反共呢? 可拉倒吧。
就这姿势还想联美反共呢? 可拉倒吧。
>>Facebook 的审查堪比微博了,注册时还需要人脸识别
是這樣嗎?我好久之前註冊的了不知道……不過我一直沒用真人頭像也沒問題啊?我看到有些人也用動漫或動物風景什麼的似乎也沒問題啊
色情暴力恐怖袭击这些东西总是要审查的。
虐待動物視頻可以直接po網炫耀,切個洋蔥就被當成是色情要和諧?
洋蔥誒!FB君你的性癖這麼古怪,看個洋蔥都會感到有色情?
別跟我說洋蔥看上去像胸部,給我一個禮拜我做個圖像分類深度學習都做的出洋蔥/胸部識別器,這根本XXX顏色都不一樣好不好!(╯°Д°)╯ ┻━┻
如果不是在審核真正的色情暴力那這些人都在訓練AI幹些什麼呢?
这是fake news!
都是美国红脖子鼓噪出来的,如果真有这种事情,FBI DHS是吃素的?就像红脖子造谣的民主党选举造假,证据呢?人家法院那么多专业人士,有认可你的谣言一例吗。
现在回头来看,美国新闻界的假新闻太多了,等拜登总统就职后真是应该好好整顿一下.
都是美国红脖子鼓噪出来的,如果真有这种事情,FBI DHS是吃素的?就像红脖子造谣的民主党选举造假,证据呢?人家法院那么多专业人士,有认可你的谣言一例吗。
现在回头来看,美国新闻界的假新闻太多了,等拜登总统就职后真是应该好好整顿一下.