有没有反习反中共却不反马克思主义共产主义的朋友?
认识一些朋友极度反中共却对共产主义/马克思主义/托洛茨基主义保持一定好感的。有一小部分是毛左,有一部分也不喜欢毛但是喜欢日共或是托派主张的(类似梁国雄的社民联)。
好奇有这样主张的朋友怎么看待目前中共的意识形态的?
好奇有这样主张的朋友怎么看待目前中共的意识形态的?
这就和只反贪官不反皇帝差不多:马克思主义是好的,都怪别人执行错了。明明所有实行共产主义的国家都是一坨屎,却从来不反思马克思主义本身有什么问题。
馬克思看到了問題 給出了一個很爛的解決方法 結果問題沒有解決 反而其他部分變得更糟。
歐洲有些國家社會福利做的還不錯偏不學 滿腦子只想要階級鬥爭那我也沒辦法。
歐洲有些國家社會福利做的還不錯偏不學 滿腦子只想要階級鬥爭那我也沒辦法。
这种人有,而且我觉得还挺多的。
我身边见到的,二十多岁的那种,农村出身的。口头禅就是:资本论里说了XXX,马克思说了XXX,所以XXX。
这几年铁拳越来越多,只要是进入社会挨到铁拳的,这种90后青年,基本都会对现在的政府反感并厌恶。但这些人又往往信仰毛以及共产主义。因为现实的铁拳是亲身经历的,所以现在的官方宣传很容易看穿。但毛时代的苦难他们没有亲身经历,20世纪共产阵营的瓦解他们并不了解,主动提起则会极力回避等等。就是现在国内各个平台阴阳怪气的人蛮多的,但这里面我敢肯定有相当多信仰毛和共产主义的。
他们就是那种,只有铁拳挨到身上才会对相应的部分质疑并反感,但不会举一反三的思考,自身的思考不足以把一个漏洞撕裂成更多的漏洞。
所以你会在他们身上看到:既厌恶中共又信仰毛和马克思,既对政府阴阳怪气同时又很吃战狼外交那一套,敌视西方。觉得社会对底层打工人很不友好,又对民主自由抱有警惕,认为是西方的骗术。
本质上还是逻辑的缺失让他们的大脑足以兼容彼此对立冲突的思想。
至于他们自己的世界观是这样的:共产主义是好的,毛是伟大的导师,至于现在的政府是变了味的,忘记了初心的,列宁斯大林是好的。共产阵营的瓦解有些是不愿谈起或回避,有些是觉得这些国家都没有真正领会马克思的真正思想,建立的国家不符合他老人家的本心,所以都是有缺陷的。
如果追问怎么建立符合马克思本心的国家呢,他们就......又回避了
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我身边见到的,二十多岁的那种,农村出身的。口头禅就是:资本论里说了XXX,马克思说了XXX,所以XXX。
这几年铁拳越来越多,只要是进入社会挨到铁拳的,这种90后青年,基本都会对现在的政府反感并厌恶。但这些人又往往信仰毛以及共产主义。因为现实的铁拳是亲身经历的,所以现在的官方宣传很容易看穿。但毛时代的苦难他们没有亲身经历,20世纪共产阵营的瓦解他们并不了解,主动提起则会极力回避等等。就是现在国内各个平台阴阳怪气的人蛮多的,但这里面我敢肯定有相当多信仰毛和共产主义的。
他们就是那种,只有铁拳挨到身上才会对相应的部分质疑并反感,但不会举一反三的思考,自身的思考不足以把一个漏洞撕裂成更多的漏洞。
所以你会在他们身上看到:既厌恶中共又信仰毛和马克思,既对政府阴阳怪气同时又很吃战狼外交那一套,敌视西方。觉得社会对底层打工人很不友好,又对民主自由抱有警惕,认为是西方的骗术。
本质上还是逻辑的缺失让他们的大脑足以兼容彼此对立冲突的思想。
至于他们自己的世界观是这样的:共产主义是好的,毛是伟大的导师,至于现在的政府是变了味的,忘记了初心的,列宁斯大林是好的。共产阵营的瓦解有些是不愿谈起或回避,有些是觉得这些国家都没有真正领会马克思的真正思想,建立的国家不符合他老人家的本心,所以都是有缺陷的。
如果追问怎么建立符合马克思本心的国家呢,他们就......又回避了
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不认识。历史证明信仰共产主义的人,后来都成为专制统治领导者的都是别有用心,都看准了这套均贫富的话术极易收割下层工人农民、利于极权,什么苏联朝鲜罗马尼亚柬埔寨,没一个好东西。不管马克思他最初到底怎么想,这样的历史实践就已经证明了共产主义是变相的facism了
说名人的话,齐泽克?反对目前为止已经出现的共产主义政权但是不反共产主义本身
说名人的话,齐泽克?反对目前为止已经出现的共产主义政权但是不反共产主义本身
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想什么随便你们啦,关键是要有个规则啊,不能谁拳头大就听谁的
其实马克思很像习近平,对于具体的治国理政没有什么有用的想法,但是对于如何搞政治拉踩上位有一肚子坏水
这就是为什么共产党培养出来的都是一些乌龟王八蛋
这就是为什么共产党培养出来的都是一些乌龟王八蛋
咱自认社民算不算呢?
至少就加拿大而言,社民有喜欢北京的(比如当年支持释放孟晚舟的Niki Ashton)也有反共的(比如支持台湾参与WHA、经常就中国人权问题发声的Heather McPherson),但是极左和极右包括加拿大共产党那帮贵物都是亲北京亲普京的,不知道什么原因……明明左派看到中共治下这个劳工权益(996之类)应该知道中共是权贵资本主义反对中共的啊……
至少就加拿大而言,社民有喜欢北京的(比如当年支持释放孟晚舟的Niki Ashton)也有反共的(比如支持台湾参与WHA、经常就中国人权问题发声的Heather McPherson),但是极左和极右包括加拿大共产党那帮贵物都是亲北京亲普京的,不知道什么原因……明明左派看到中共治下这个劳工权益(996之类)应该知道中共是权贵资本主义反对中共的啊……
这种我认识不少。民主左派还是挺不错的,别沾梅毒腊肉就行。列梅毒那套必然走向极权,但是墙内绝大多数共产主义者都是跟这个挂钩的。